Stingray Tank - What Could Have Been | Forum

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Maklarr4000
Maklarr4000 Jun 6 '17
In the 1980's, the looming threat of overwhelming Soviet armored power was starting to worry the United States Army. With so many small allies, small bases, and far-flung areas, the notion that a Soviet invasion could wipe any of them out was very alarming. Despite an excellent airborne logistics department, the USA lacked an air-transportable light tank capable of trading blows with the latest Soviet heavyweights. So, a competition was created to pit leading defense contractors against each other for the prize of a contract to build an armada of light tanks for the United States and it's allies to quickly defend themselves with- from virtually anywhere.

The prospect of piles of money drew out Textron, a defense contractor best known for their acquisition of Bell-Sikorsky (helicopters) and Cadillac-Gage (tanks, ships), as well as their own smattering of military application technologies. In short, exactly the sort of company the contest was looking to attract. Textron's engineers began development of the "Stingray" light tank in 1983, and by 1984 had a prototype ready for some early testing.



The Stingray was designed to be air-mobile, powerful, and cost-effective. It utilized as many standardized and existing components as possible to assure that no matter where the Stingray might be sent to fight, virtually any field repair shop could patch them up- from Iceland to Australia, and anywhere in between that a standard C-130 Hercules cargo plane could go. The tank traded significant armor (which wouldn't have been air-portable anyway) for a powerful 105 millimeter main cannon intended to crack heavy Soviet vehicles like the T-60 and T-70 series tanks.

In 1987, the competition closed, with BAE Systems machine chosen as the winner, gaining the classification M8 Armored Gun System. Though the Stingray was defeated for the US contract, it remained in interest from the export market due to it's high reliability, and low cost. Textron received a windfall when a deal was reached with Thailand, who purchased 106 vehicles in 1988.



Today, the Thai army operates roughly 100 of these vehicles- though the exact operational number is unknown. In a strange twist of fate, Textron would in a sense be vindicated when the M8-AGS program was cancelled in 1997, stemming from cost overruns, and that without a Soviet Union to fight, there wasn't much need for the vehicles in the first place.

Had the Textron Stingray been adopted by the United States, there is no telling how many would have been mass produced for airborne warfare. Though they lack the armor of more traditional US tanks, it seems that they would have done alright in the Gulf war, and perhaps even later in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan in some modified form. But, we may never know what could have been.
Jasper
Jasper Jun 8 '17
What happened to the one that lost?
Maklarr4000
Maklarr4000 Jun 8 '17

Quote from Jasper What happened to the one that lost?

The M8-AGS? I'll have a thread for that one.
VORTEX
VORTEX Jun 13 '17
The US doesn't need junk light tanks. Hell, we don't need the bruisers we have now, most of the fighting is done with wheeled vehicles.
Maklarr4000
Maklarr4000 Jun 14 '17

Quote from VORTEX The US doesn't need junk light tanks. Hell, we don't need the bruisers we have now, most of the fighting is done with wheeled vehicles.

I will admit, the Stryker can do virtually everything a tank can do for less money. I mean, if it can't kill whatever it is that it's fighting, the US is just going to call in one of you guys to bomb it into the stone age with a laser-guided missile from an F-16.
Jasper
Jasper Jun 15 '17
M2 can take a hit.
Maklarr4000
Maklarr4000 Jun 16 '17

Quote from Jasper M2 can take a hit.

For the size and cost of it, I would hope so...

Jasper
Jasper Jun 17 '17
Quote from Maklarr4000
Quote from Jasper M2 can take a hit.

For the size and cost of it, I would hope so...

Best ifv in the world.
Fitch
Fitch Jun 28 '17
Trying to make an air portable tank hasn't ever really worked.
Maklarr4000
Maklarr4000 Jun 29 '17

Quote from Fitch Trying to make an air portable tank hasn't ever really worked.

The Sherridan wasn't a bad attempt, but that's about the only one that stands out for me. Considering the hundreds of historical attempts, that's not a great track record.
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